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Post by Peaches on Jun 12, 2007 16:14:49 GMT -5
1.i have read it, Satan did everything to him, yes he did stay with God in prayer but did you ever consider that maybe it wasn't recorded in the Bible that Job did bind demons???
2. don't even go there just because you don't personally hear one of every day does NOT mean they don't happen, (that on your part was a stupid thing to say)
3. I NEVER said christians could be demon possessed EVER if you say i did you are a liar. and we do not have to ask God's permission to bind demons to a certain extent, okay if a group of demons is bothering me im gonna kick their sorry butts and unless a demon is messing with me or in my house/property i can and will take my authority over it, but if it is attacking a friend or someone who doesn't believe that demons can attack them then i have to wait and ask God or see if he tells me to take care of em if not he doesn't want me to take care of them. and when you bind demons you say it in he name of Jesus Christ. and if a person is struggling with greed lust or anything and they TRULY want to be free of it they themselves can take authority in christ and bind all demons that are attacking them.
(i STRONGLY suggest that you watch Jessy Duplandis' video on Boldness it deals with things like this, you see he to like me is charismatic)
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Post by lordofthesquishies on Jun 12, 2007 16:58:38 GMT -5
1) Making assumptions that something happened in the Bible that God didn't record? What are we, Gnostics? 2) Deepest apologies, but if they're latching on to everything and everyone touches everything how come there isn't a demon pandemic? 3) Sorry, that's how I took it. Thanks for clarifying. But let's think about some of the things you've said... We don't need to ask God? Who controls demons? God! Do you really think that any human is stronger than a demon? Only through the power of God can they be driven out. As for struggling with lust, remember who you're talking to. Pervert-boy to refresh your memory. I know what it's like to struggle with lust. I wish I could say I didn't, but I tried REPEATEDLY to beat it. How much success did I have time after time after time after time after time after time? None. I didn't have any power or authority. God did though and when I begged him and surrendered he took it from me. There were no demons involved there. There was me and there was God. I had no power in that situation. I was a battle field being fought over by my sinful nature and God. Whenever the balance shifted to one side, it overwhelmed me. But such shifts were always short... very short. Only when I gave up the fight to God was I free. Sorry if that 3rd part was confusing. It still confuses me.
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Post by Peaches on Jun 12, 2007 18:23:07 GMT -5
1. its not an assumption and driving out of demons is elsewhere in the Bible.
2. they only latch onto things they are permitted to.
3. you are welcome, and i never said christians could be possesed.
ok "OH LORD A BUSS IS COMING AT ME!!! SHOULD I MOVE OR NOT!?!?!?!" of coarse he is going to say yes he has given us all power and authority over satan and his demons through him like i said and i said that only through the power of God can they be driven out, and asking God to set you free is a major part of it as well. if that human is a christian HECK YEAH THEY ARE STRONGER THAN ANY DEMON! God does controll demons, however we are aliens to earth the earth is satans domain.
For our struggle is not against flesh and blood, but against the rulers, against the authorities, against the powers of this dark world and against the spiritual forces of evil in the heavenly realms.
Ephesians 6:12
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Post by medowbrookgoer39 on Jun 12, 2007 18:35:53 GMT -5
"...but did you ever consider that maybe it wasn't recorded in the Bible that Job did bind demons??? 1) Making assumptions that something happened in the Bible that God didn't record? What are we, Gnostics? 1. its not an assumption and driving out of demons is elsewhere in the Bible."
Yes it is an assumption. Driving out demons is elsewhere, yes, but saying maybe something happened that was not recorded is assuming something happened. If it wasn't an assumption it is not a relevant response.
As for you're discussion, it's really an interesting topic, but seemingly pointless to argue about if you ask me. We can't change anything about it, we can hardly know anything about it, and we can't see what is actually happening supposing anything is at all. I like talking about angels and demons in one sense, but an argument about it really seems rather fruitless, almost as fruitless as a Calvinism vs. free choice Armenian discussion.
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Post by lordofthesquishies on Jun 12, 2007 20:00:26 GMT -5
1) Brian said it best. Thanks.
2) You said they latched onto sweaters, tarot cards, and pretty much every other noun. How many of those things do you think they are permitted to latch on to? This is a serious question, not sarcastic.
3) I'm not advocating saying, "OH LORD SHOULD I MOVE???" I'm advocating, "God, you see this swamp I'm stuck in. I can't move on my own. I'm counting on you to save me and I know that you will."
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Post by Peaches on Jun 12, 2007 21:02:59 GMT -5
1. I DIDN'T ASSUME i merely stated that it could have happened, i didn't say that it did happen.
2. things that have the blood of Jesus is on it or asking God to cleanse it.
3. yeah he'll save you but its almost like not studying for a test and saying " OH LORD I TRUST THAT YOU WILL MAKE ME SMART ENOUGH TO GET AN A+" and not studying, you should be like "Oh Lord please help me keep focused on studying for my test and please help me pass it."
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Post by lordofthesquishies on Jun 12, 2007 21:06:00 GMT -5
1) Then why did you even bring up the possibility God omitted something? Honestly, using that logic you could say God just forgot to mention Mary Magdalene and Jesus Christ getting hooked up. Never question the 100% veracity of the Bible.
2) sounds kinda strange. Care to go in depth?
3) Of course! But there you have the means to do it on your own and it's a measure of YOUR ability and effort. For the big things, we need to call on God.
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Post by Peaches on Jun 13, 2007 10:27:06 GMT -5
I KNOW I have no more power in Christ than you do! for the big things like a job choice we need to call on God, yes. however taking care of a demon that is bothering you IS NOT BIG!
I have given you authority to trample on snakes and scorpions and to overcome all the power of the enemy; nothing will harm you.
Luke 10:19
I HAVE BEEN SAYING ALL ALONG THAT WE CAN ONLY DO THIS THROUGH CHRIST!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by lordofthesquishies on Jun 13, 2007 10:49:15 GMT -5
I'm a little confused... But on that tangent, how is a demon not big?
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Post by Peaches on Jun 14, 2007 21:12:58 GMT -5
The God of peace will soon crush Satan under your feet. The grace of our Lord Jesus be with you.
Romans 16:20
A demon is nothing to a Christian because in one sentence you can cast it into the abyss, HELL. satan and all his demons are beneath God and every single one of his kids!
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Post by lordofthesquishies on Jun 14, 2007 21:21:13 GMT -5
Then how can they attack us? When will a demon ever disturb a child of God?
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Post by Peaches on Jun 15, 2007 13:21:39 GMT -5
a demon will attack every chance it can get to try and make us trip, the spirit of fear and gossip and many others, they can attack us if we give into temptation. gossip being affraid, (there is a FINE line between afraid and concerned)
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Post by Robby on Jun 15, 2007 14:20:03 GMT -5
Btw, where does it say in the Bible that demons latch onto anything? Or are just supposed to assume that?
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Post by lordofthesquishies on Jun 15, 2007 17:18:07 GMT -5
Good question. And what's with demons of gossip? Why are temptations demons? I always thought they were just temptations.
James 1:14
but each one is tempted when, by his own evil desire, he is dragged away and enticed.
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Post by Peaches on Jun 15, 2007 17:36:32 GMT -5
yes, the demons encourage the desire that the flesh wants.
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