Telcontar
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I am Jack's complete lack of surprise...
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Post by Telcontar on Jun 26, 2007 19:24:48 GMT -5
That verse says nothing about attaching to things, only people and you said that demons can't hurt Christians. Don't quit on this just because you can't take criticism... C'mon, I can't hurt you none and I haven't been any more personal than anyone else on the forum... If my critiques make it too hard to respond you might want to take another look at what you think and see how well it fares in the light of reason... I don't really know why this conversation stopped in the past other than lack of content. Why do people always quit as soon as I start talking?
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Post by lordofthesquishies on Jun 26, 2007 19:36:33 GMT -5
Wish I knew. Then we could fix it.
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Telcontar
Junior Member
I am Jack's complete lack of surprise...
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Post by Telcontar on Jun 28, 2007 13:15:57 GMT -5
and then the regular boring posts begin...
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Post by lordofthesquishies on Jun 28, 2007 18:05:59 GMT -5
Sorry to disappoint. Check back in a month or so... Then leave after 24 hours. Day 2 usually isn't worth sticking around for.
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Post by medowbrookgoer39 on Jun 29, 2007 1:30:54 GMT -5
C'mon, I can't hurt you none and I haven't been any more personal than anyone else on the forum... If my critiques make it too hard to respond you might want to take another look at what you think and see how well it fares in the light of reason... I don't really know why this conversation stopped in the past other than lack of content. Why do people always quit as soon as I start talking? Ben, it probably stems from the fact that you are 21 and Tommy is like 13. Arguing with someone who doesn't quite understand the implications of logic and reason is really very futile. Then again, it's pretty much a sure thing to encounter in a middle school/high school age youth group forum, even though there are exceptions to that even here.
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Post by Pastor Scott on Dec 6, 2007 11:16:36 GMT -5
I believe I have witnessed a case of demon possession.
If you are interested in it, I could share it with you.
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Post by lordofthesquishies on Dec 6, 2007 15:21:55 GMT -5
YES PLEASE!
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Post by Pastor Scott on Dec 19, 2007 10:06:18 GMT -5
It was the summer of '94, back in the heart of Maine. I lived on the grounds of a large Christian camp called "Fair Haven Camps" in Brooks, ME. My parents were the full-time directors and I was very involved as a counselor.
We always did these overnight camp outs with our cabins each week. This one week a few of us joined our babins for a large overnight trip across the lake and up our mountain to the summit (where a large white cross can be seen from all around the camp grounds).
After canoeing across the lake with all of our campers and supplies, we hiked about an hour up the rocky side of the mountain to the best camping spot around the cross. Besides me, there were 6 other male counselors (Dave, Mike, Ben, Jason, and 2 Johns).
After eating supper around the fire and having a cool devotion time - we started to settle our campers down for the night. My cabin, #6, chose to sleep under the stars, amongst some cool rock formations and near the fire. The other cabins setup tents a little farther ahead in the trees.
After we had settled our guys down for a while and most of them had fallen asleep, we began to hear some noise coming from the tent area. It was not long after that one of the counselors came over to get me and Jason (my co-counselor). He told us that they were having a problem with one of the campers in there area. We headed over to see if there was anything we could do and as we were running over, another couselor was bringing his kids toward the fire and away from the "scene".
As we got close to the campsite, we started to hear some yelling and thrashing that sounded like maybe one of the other counselors. Then approaching the tent where the noise was coming from, we came to another of the counselors there that night. He was sitting outside the tent with a dazed look on his face. He began to tell us how this 7th grader was flipping out and that it was him we were hearing. This boy had been a very quiet kid all week and it was hard to believe it was him making all this noise.
One of the boys (large) counselors was in the tent trying to calm him down, and eventually the two of them came out of the tent. This was when we noticed that the boy looked quite different then usual. He had an appearance that is hard to describe. A very hard and angry look - and almost older than his age. He was screaming almost in pain and then would say some really bad stuff directed toward us in an evil adult male kind of voice.
I am not sure what triggered this - but I clearly remember how it stopped. By this time the boy was getting very physical and dangerous - to us and himself. We left one counselor with the campers over by the fire and the other five of us tried to hold this 7th grader down. The other four guys were all my size or bigger and together we could not hold him down.
Finally, the counselor who had connected with him that week (one of the Johns), tried to talk very direct to him and personal. He addressed some of the things the boy had shared that week about his life. As John was confronting the boy very directly, the rest of us were really praying and doing anything else we could to help, like removing any dangerous objects from the area.
John's conversation with the boy really didn't calm him down, but he did start to communicate with him - often talking in the thrid person. That is when John came up with the bright idea to sacrifice his own body to try and end this. He got right in the kid's face and said, "hit me, come on, take it all out and hit me". This calm little 7th grade boy we had gotten to know all week, took a huge swing and just about knocked John out. After he hit his favorite counselor, it was if he somehow gained control of himself and then realized what he had done. He began to cry and cry, and then hugged John for the longest time.
Talking with the boy after the encounter, he didn't realize he had done any of the things we described. Three of the counselors (one from each cabin - myself included), took the boy down to the camp office where we met up with my dad. it was a very long night.
I am sure that the story doesn't do the actual encounter justice. Even as I am writing it, I am sure it sounds like a typical anger outburst from a troubled (and possibly abused) teenager. Having been there and seeing it first hand, it was something much more than that. I have worked with youth for a long time and have dealt with a lot of outbursts, anger, and rage - but never anything like that. The evil adult male voice, the loss of memory, the things said, and the superhuman strength, were something I had never encountered before. My discernement about that encounter has always told me that that was as much a spritual encounter as it was a physical. I trully believe that we were dealing with some sort of a demon possession - and I do not take that statement lightly.
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Post by Peaches on Dec 20, 2007 9:10:32 GMT -5
From what you are saying it was demon possession. Super human strength, a deep gravely voice and another sign is their eyes glazed over and black. The reason that he didn't remember anything is because the demon actually took over his body. That is mostlikely why he looked older.
Personally I have never seen one as violent as that, but i have seen demon possession in people. And the demon won't just leave either, they have to be cast out, but in the name of Jesus Christ, and the retaliating spirits need to be bound and sent to the abyss as well.
The Healing of Two Demon-possessed Men 28When he arrived at the other side in the region of the Gadarenes,[d] two demon-possessed men coming from the tombs met him. They were so violent that no one could pass that way. 29"What do you want with us, Son of God?" they shouted. "Have you come here to torture us before the appointed time?" 30Some distance from them a large herd of pigs was feeding. 31The demons begged Jesus, "If you drive us out, send us into the herd of pigs."
32He said to them, "Go!" So they came out and went into the pigs, and the whole herd rushed down the steep bank into the lake and died in the water. 33Those tending the pigs ran off, went into the town and reported all this, including what had happened to the demon-possessed men. 34Then the whole town went out to meet Jesus. And when they saw him, they pleaded with him to leave their region.
Only after Jesus drove the demons out of the men were they truly "back to normal.
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Post by lordofthesquishies on Dec 20, 2007 16:07:52 GMT -5
Thanks for sharing that. I'm still confused... Did you find out anything about the boy after he left camp?
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Post by Princess180 on Jan 5, 2008 10:37:19 GMT -5
Yeah, I wondered that too.
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Post by lordofthesquishies on Jan 5, 2008 11:12:56 GMT -5
Is it possible it was a manic episode? Sorry to be the skeptic, but I am one.
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Post by JK on Jun 21, 2008 20:02:07 GMT -5
no there is an instand in the bible even where it says that a person can be given super strength.
Luke 8:29
29: For Jesus had commanded the evil spirit to come out of the man. Many times it had seized him, and though he was chained hand and foot and kept under guard, he had broken his chains and had been driven by the demon into solitary places.
and also
Mark 5:3-5
3This man lived in the tombs, and no one could bind him any more, not even with a chain. 4For he had often been chained hand and foot, but he tore the chains apart and broke the irons on his feet. No one was strong enough to subdue him. 5Night and day among the tombs and in the hills he would cry out and cut himself with stones.
once again the story is told and goes into a bit more detail in Mark (above) about how he did have super human strength and was well, crazy.
also in acts, people who weren't Christians were casting out demons in Jesus name...
15(One day) the evil spirit answered them, "Jesus I know, and I know about Paul, but who are you?" 16Then the man who had the evil spirit jumped on them and overpowered them all. He gave them such a beating that they ran out of the house naked and bleeding.
so it wasn't something manic JC it was something demonic weather you want it to be or not, it was. This is reality, they are real and are as bad as they were back then, and will still be there even if you close your eyes and say " i don't believe it" when you open your eyes, if ever you will see that they are still there.
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Post by JK on Jun 21, 2008 20:07:41 GMT -5
but you shouldn't put your full attention on them, i mean you should know that they are there but not be consumed with them, your focus should be on God, but that doesn't mean you can be oblivious to everything else. We need to stand up for ourselves, in Jesus name.
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Post by bryce on Aug 11, 2008 17:52:48 GMT -5
dont forget the incident in the book of Acts where the seven sons of Sheva (nice alliteration there!) we sent running from their home naked and bleeding because of trying to cast a demon out of somebody. the devil and his demons are very powerful and their purpose is to try and trip us up and to make us doubt the power of God by showing how powerful they themselves are, but i hope that we never for one millisecond forget that we serve a God who formed this earth, we serve a God who made us out of love and for a purpose,we serve a God who also created the devil and his demons, and we serve a God that is so much more powerful than anything the devil or his demons could muster up to try and throw at us. and THAT folks is pretty cool!
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